Assalamu'alaykum,

I made a post/sticky on this tread late last night but it was deleted by the admin. Please could the admin pm me regarding why this was deleted - what rules did I breach? I would have contacted you directly but can't see a contact us link or anything like that.

brother we are trying to address the issues of eeman and ghuloo on this forum in light of the guidance from the major scholars.

we do not need biased materials from open takfeeris, and those who openly allow and encourage vile abuse towards our scholars to guide us in these matters.

This is a very strange reply you have given if you permit me to say.

Firstly, you state you are dealing with issue of emaan and ghuloo in light of the guidance from the major scholars.

1. Many on this forum are of the opinion that Shaykh Rabee is not from the major scholars. That is a fair comment.

2. Shaykh Rabee seems to openly attacking some of the agreed upon major scholars...Shaykh Ibn Jibreen and Shaykh Bin Baaz. Which is what I quoted.

3. Some of the material has been posted already on this very forum:
Criticism of Shaykh Bin Baaz:http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4643

also regarding Dalail ul Buhran abu alqama mentioned Shaykh Gudayaan's criticism of it here: http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4724&p=17300&hilit=madkhali#p17300

So why delete my post when some of the material is already here?

4. What I quoted in addition are some really serious accusations which are audio recorded that Shaykh Rabee has insulted our companions (the same thing he accused Syed Qutb of). We already know that he has criticised some of the major ulamaa and at least one his works have been criticised as having statements akin to the murjiah. This new evidence adds to the concerns already expressed by this individual. I won't requote the statements here, in case I break some unwritten forum rule. We already know that spubs other major so-called alim criticised another sahabi Ka'ab ibn Malik (ra) - http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4316

6. As you aware from reading my post, I did not put this information up as 'matter of fact' but here for comment/discussion. Instead of draconion-like deleting my post without comment/reason you could have simply (i) deleted the website link if you were really that concerned (don't know why to be honest) but left the quotes so it could be discussed. Correct adab would have been to do so, especially as I mentioned, there are no forum rules anyway.




You mention that the website in question has vile comments towards "our scholars". I would reply by saying are we really sure that these are our scholars? Are those that slander sahaba, hold views of irja and criticise other major ulamah those we take knowledge from? Not to mention knowing about the fitnah regarding SP and continuing to support them. Our allegience is with the Allah and his Messenger, first and foremost - not personalities.

Instead of sweeping such things under the carpet and arguing with meaningless rhetoric, I think it is important that you engage and speak about these issues. And by meaningless rhetoric I refer to "we do not need biased materials from open takfeeris"; "takfiri" being another loaded term banded about by former/current spubbies without thought, logic or care for it's meanings and implications on the brothers concerned. Spubs use such terms as a scare tactic; surely you don't associate with or take from ahlul bi'dah akhi?? hence quickly ending an argument. I think it is better we discuss and debate with reason and intellect, if our idealogy is really the truth (and inshallah it is) then it will surely stand up to scrutiny. I feel very strongly in this.

I think there is an issue of an identity crisis of sorts here. You claim to be fighting against SPUBs, ghuloo etc but then why use the same tactics and words as them. I have read at least one person mentioning this on the forum before regarding brothers still holding on to remnants of ghullat ideology. What difference does it make that I linked to a so-called "takfeeri" website - most of us have an addressbar that takes us to world far more dangerous.

No the website in question did not call to the killing of civilians or call the rulers kuffar at all but is apparently run by these dangerous hooligans who we label as "takfiri" ... who we should boycott, don't listen to, not sit with and don't give salaam to I assume (ring a bell?). If the 'takfeeris' are taking a stance against the Sahaba-slanders then good on them. It's a shame that no one has the guts to do it here.

As-Salaam Alaikum,
Nothing strange in what was said earlier, the issues like emaan and extremism in dealing with ahlus-sunnah, and serious matters for us and we like to discuss them in a serious manner in light of the guidance what comes from the major scholars like sheikh al-fawzaan, sheikh abdul-muhsin al-abbaad, the grand mufti, and others (May Allah preserve them).
We don’t need biased materials from websites / forums of Takfeeris and those who don’t respect our scholars. They quote our scholars like sheikh al-fawzaan, sheikh abdul-muhsin al-abbaad, the grand mufti, and others, when it suites them, and allow people to levy all kinds of abuse towards them.

Their agenda is clearly different from ours. We are trying to connect people to the major scholars and blame those who distance from them. They on the other hand blame people for following the major scholars and use the words of the scholars only when it suites them.

Just a quick google search for the word fawzaan mentions the following in just 2 threads …


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Its not meaningless rhetoric when a group of people actually deserve the title of being Takfeeri. They declare governments of Muslim countries to be apostates without precedence from the scholars. They allow, promote, romanticize takfeeri heads; and there is nothing hidden about this.



“but is apparently run by these dangerous hooligans” – it is run by them, no mystery here at all.

And yes, with regards to the Takfeeri who allow the most vile statements to be said about major scholars like sheikh al-fawzaan, then we “should boycott, don't listen to, not sit with”.

We have no problem with Takfeeris being treated as Takfeeris should. We have a problem with salafis who respect and follow the scholars, being treated a Takfeeris, just because of some difference in opinion.


If you are so upset that this relatively minor manner of your post being deleted, imagine our disgust at those who allow the vilest of things to be said about our esteemed scholars. And when we find someone posting their links and materials, it’s just obvious that we are going to delete it.
As for adab, is there such a thing like adab after what one can find on just 2 threads of that forum, and by no means did I do a thorough search on the 2 threads.
As for rules, there are rules. And its here
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