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Post subject: SalafiManhaj and Shaykh Fawzan Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:54 am |
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Joined: Mon May 13, 2002 8:16 am Posts: 1802 Location: France
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Salam aleykum
Salafi Manhaj or HalabiManhaj have put an audio of shaykh Fawzan that they believe agree with their view about judging with man made laws, in which the shaykh waid that this is duna kufr if one does with desire...
First, Shaykh Fawzam himself denied the claim of Anbari that Ibn Baz critiiced the view of his Shaykh ibn Ibrahim, and he said it is an audio, and an audio is not a definitif proof as one can correct his words and put more correct words and sh Fawzan could not find in any written Fatwa of ibn Baz criticsim of the view of ibn Ibrahim
Secondly, the shaykh when talking first talked about Hukm bi Ghayr ma Anza Allah and mentions cases when it is Kufr akbar...
And then judging with Qanun...so it is possible that here Shaykh Fawzan was intending some particular cases, meaning ruler in some cases judges with laws fabricated by humans...
Yet, in his books like Kitab Tawhid, Shaykh Fawzan clearly said that duna kufr is once or two ocaasions and not for a general law...
So one can gather his Fatawa, but it is strange for people to leave his book of Tawheed, leave clear words in his "irshad" in which he compared Yasa to nowadfays contries that leave Islam except familial code and others...
And Shaykh fawzan never said that legislator of such laws is dona Kufr, and his words in his books on legislating such laws are clear...
So such fatawa are not clear enough, and his written fatawa are well-known and one can easily reconcile...
As for these people, they leave clear words in his Sharh Tahawiyah, sharh Kitab Tawhid, Irshad and others...
Insha Allah I will shaw them a detailed audio, the shaykh's explanation of Fathul majid in which he compares man mad laws of nowadays to Yasa...
And what is more reliable, a dars prepared and detailed...
But Halabiyah will close eyes on this...as they do...show one side...and hide other...
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:21 am |
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Salam aleykum
Shaykh Fawzan said in his sharh of "Qurat ul Ayun Al Muwahidden" of sh AbdurRahman ibn Hasan, one hour two min:
Shaykh Abdurrahman inm Hasan mentioned the sayings of ibn Katheer about gengis khan and they gave precedance to his laws that laws of Islam, and Shaykh Fawzan said that nowadays the french law that is on countries is exactly the same as Yasa...there is no difference...
http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Lesson&iw ... es_id=2467
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:24 am |
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Salam aleykum
Can the followers of Halabi have kindness to translate words of Ibn Katheer on Yasa and SHaykh Fawzan's comment?
Or they believe in some words of Sh Fawzan and reject some?
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:43 am |
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After one hour and 16 min, Sh Fawzan answers a question of laws on which majority are man made laws:
Shaykh Fawzan said that if someone judges by other than Allah and considers this Halal or same or better than Shari'ah this is kufr AKbar...
If somone IN SOME CASES (B'AD QADAYA) does not judge by what Allah revealed by desire or rishawah, this is duna Kufr...
And if someone replace Shari'ah with man made laws, this is a daleel that he prefers man made laws, and there is no doubt about this kufr...
So Sh Fawzan's words are the same in his books on Aqidah and Tawheed, that duna kufr is restricted to some cases (ba'dul qadaya)...
And never Sh Fawzan said that the one who abolished man made laws and replaces them with Qanun, this can be duna kufr in some cases...
Else he would not compare yasa to nowadays laws having french laws...
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:24 am |
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So one can see that in all his books and tapes, Shaykh Fawzan only says duna Kufr in particular cases, and never in Tashree amm, abolsihing Shariha and replacing it with frecnh law, rather the Shaykh said it is a clear daleel for his kufr...
But people that have sickness in their heart like the muhkam and take the Mutashabih...
One can wonder why Sh Fawzan agreed to forbid Anbari and Halabi's books and at the same time he agreed with Anbari and Halabi?
One can wonder why Shaykh Fawzan introduced the refutation of Sallem Dawsari on Halabi, and same time has same opinion...that only heart conditions make one kafir even in general laws...
Of course, Salafimanhaj never had tawfeeq to quote Fatwa of Lajnah neither words of ibn Katheer on Yasa, showing their lack os seriousness and bias...
If Shaykh Fawzan puts condition of hearts on Istibal, then why did he signed this in the lajnah against Halabi:
3 – Attributing an unfounded statement to Sheikhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah – may Allah have mercy upon him – on p.17-18 when the aforementioned compiler of the book, attributes to him, that the ruling on the Mubaddal [the one who replaces the Sharee’ah of Allah with other laws] according to Sheikh al-Islaam is not Kufr [Akbar], unless if [the replacement of the Sharee’ah] occurs with Ma’rifah [acknowledgement], I’tiqaad [belief] and Istihlaal [making permissible that which is forbidden], and this is merely a baseless statement attributed to Sheikhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah – May Allah have Mercy upon him – as he was the propagator of the Madhhab of the Salaf of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, and their Madhhab is what has preceded, whereas this [i.e. Alee Hasan’s Madhhab], indeed it is the Madhhab of the Murji`ah.
4 – His alteration of the intent of the eminent al-‘Allaamah ash-Sheikh Muhammad bin Ibraahim – May Allah have Mercy on him – in his article – Tahkeem al-Qawaaneen al-Wadha’eeyah [Ruling by man-made laws], when the compiler of the aforementioned book claims that the Sheikh places a condition of Istihlaal al-Qalbee [making permissible that which is forbidden – in the heart], whereas the statement of the Sheikh is as clear as the sun in his aforementioned article to the mainstream of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah.
And why did Shaykh Fawzan signed this Fatwa against Anabari?
4 - His reporting of concensus (ijmaa) of ahlus-sunnah regarding absence of kufr of the one who ruled by other than what Allah has revealed in general legislations, except by making it permissible from the heart like the rest of the sins which are excluded from kufr.
So for Shaykh fawzan claiming an Ijma on Tashree ul aam is a lie...and also there is no condition of hearts in Tahkeem ul Qawanin of ibn Ibrahim....
So this is a lesson for people who take undetailed speech and leave detailed speech...
This is exacltly what Halabiyah do on Jinns ul Amal and others, by taking general speech of ibn Taymiyah on actions being bracnhes and heart being Asl, and they leave his sayings that for Ahlus Sunnah belief of the heart necisitate actions of the limbs
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