Salam aleykum

Here is an audio of Shaykh Ibn Utheymeen from hos own web page, in Tafseer of Surah Al baqarah after mentionning how Mussa Aley Salam defeated Fir'awn, Ibn Utheymeen said this is how a single man can do, so even if people of Haqq are very litlle in parliements, then there will be some benefits.

Then the shaykh said that some people of ilm object about sitting in parliments and say that Mustaqeem people should not sit with Munharif (deviated)

And Shaykh Ibn Utheymeen asked them : "Are the Mustaqeem people sitting with misguided agreeing with them ? They sit with them so to explain them the truth, did you understand ?"

he added : "Does the Mustaqeem sit to do deviation ? Answer me ?"

Here is the wab page

http://www.ibnothaimeen.com/cgi-bin/art ... &start=401

Here is the audio

Save the tape :

http://www.binothaimeen.com/sound/snd/a ... 16-211A.rm

Or you can listen on the page in tape n 210,

It is after 4 or 5 min that the shaykh spoke these words.

So ibn Utheymeen sees benefit for people of Haqq sitting with people of deviation in parliements, so the saying of people of Haqq can be benefical and they can guide misguided people.

So people should be fair enough and wether they agree or not, then this is a different matter, but saying your opponent is not a true Salafee because on Ijtihadi matters he does not agree with some scholars but others

Then it is the crime of Ghulat, and they will pay in this world or in the other. Their treahceries and cheatings are in front of anybody

Thei dealing with words of Kibar than do not suit their hidden agenda is on front of you ?

Nor ibn Utheymeen agrees with them on entering parliments, nor on entering Jam'iyah hya Turath, and these people dare to say Shaykh Wasiullah opposes major scholars...

Are you little scholar more major than ibn baz, ibn Utheymeen, Abdel 'Aziz Al Shaykh

May Allah humilate the Ghulat and show their lies and distorsions

Salam aleykum

Here is a tape where SHaykh Muqbil said to ibn Utheymeen to fear Allah and criticised him for his Fatwa of entering parliements

http://www.geocities.com/asd4004asd/wadi-oth2.mp3

And there are tapes in which he said the same to ibn Baz and Albani as well, to fear Allah for their fatwa on entering parliement.

So why did Ghulat forgot to mention who SHaykh Muqbil was criticising Ibn Baz, ib Utheymeen and Albani for entering parliements.

Who are major scholars, ibn Baz, ibn Utheymeen or shaykh Mubil ?

Anyway, Shaykh Muqbil can be right, but one should present sayings of scholars with honesty...

And this is not a matter with which they can attack Jam'iyah Ahlil Hadeeth

May Allah save us from ghulat

Note : The Fatwa of Shaykh IBn Utheymeen is for entering parliements in Muslims lands where people of truth can advise those of deviation>

As for Shaykh Muqbil's criticism of ibn Utheymeen, then it just shows what I said many times, and what Sp agreed for the Lajnah, nobody receives wahi from Allah, Shaykh Muqbil can be mistaken, Shaykh Rabee can have a ghaflah and introduce a book that Al Ghudayan forbids...

As for Fawzee, then I saw on his web page that he attacked also shaykh Mustafa Al 'Adawi...for having no Manhag, sitting with Qutbiin...

And Sp were followers of Fawzee...inviting him...

May Allah protect us from ghulat

Salam aleykum

Insha Allah very soon I will put words of Ibn baz in many Saudi magazines about entering parliements and these Fatawa is for entering them even in Muslim Lands...not only Kufar's land.

So people will see what ibn abz said, and why Ghulat never quoted his Fatawa but hided them and what was their secret purpose.

And who opposes Kibar scholars and declares other to oppose major scholars.

And we challenge the bengladeshi to quote ibn Baz and make takbeers and their Bakistani as well.

May Allah protect us from Ghulat

Salam aleykum

Shaykh Mana' Al-Qattan quoted in his book "Mu'uqat Tatbeeq Ash-Sharee'ah Al-Islamiyah" a Fatwa of Shaykh Ibn Baz given in a magazine, Ibn baz was asked about elections and entering parliements through them, he answered :

" The Prophet (saw) said : "Actions are by their intentions, and everything will have according to what he intended" So there is no harm in entering Majlis Ash-Sha'b (parliement) if the aim is to support the truth and absence of agreement with Batil""

Sgaykh Ibn Baz was asked in the magazine Al-Islah N 17-241 date 23/6/1993 about parliements and entering elections in countries that do not rule with the law of Allah, what is the rule for that ?

Ibn Baz answered : "This entering is dangerous, meaning parliements and majlis Niyabah and others, entering them is dangerous, but he who enters them with knowledge and Baseerah seeking the truth and seeking to guide people to the good, and he wants to remove evil and the basis is not desire of the world, nor desire in the living conditions, if he only entered to support the Deen of Allah, and to make efforts for the truth and for leaving the Batil, with this pure intention, I do not seen any Haraj in this, and this should be done until Majalis are not empty from good and its people.

So if he entered with this intention, and this is Baseerah for him, so he can make efforts for the truth, he can argue for the truth, and he can call to leave the Batil, maybe Allah will bring benefit from it until it is ruled by the Sharee'ah with this intention and with this Qasd, with Ilm and Baseerah, then Allah will recompense him"

So everybody can see that in countries that rule with cursed man made laws, then Ibn Baz said that entering of people of ilm and Baseerah should be done, and this can bring the country to rule by the Sharee'ah.

So this is why he never declared Abder Rahman AbdeKhaliq to be an innovator or Hizbee, nor told people to abandon his Jam'iyah.

And Abu Khadeejah or one of his fellow told in the meeting with Shaykh Wasiullah that Ibn baz and other's fatawa were for countires other than the Golf ones, and Shaykh Wasiullah objected that some countries of the Gold rule by what Allah does not desire.

So Ibn Baz's Fatwa applies to Kuwait and others...Abu Khadeejah and his Hizb tried to divert Ibn Baz's Fatwa, but can they do so in front of a 'Alim Ar-Rabbani.

Now if people prefer to follow Ubayd Al Jabiri over Ibn Baz and ibn Utheymeen, then it is their choice, but have shame not to lie to people and tell the Madhab of Kibar.

Ande anybody can see Sp's desire of protection of golf countries from Salafee entering parliements.

Do they recieve money from the king of Kuweit ?

May Allah guide us all

Assalaamu 'Alaikum,

Brother Abu Alqama - it's not just the Gulf States akhee. It's all over the world, Pakistan , India and especially the UK and US.

SP's remit seems to be clear - prevent Muslims, especially salafis (because the halwa eaters are no problem to anyone) from entering into politics.

SP has a clearly secular religious agenda, and it works hand in hand with the secular political agenda. SP tells religious people to stay out of politics and politicians tell their people to stay out of religion - easy to divide between the religion and the state.

I think people are really right to question where SP is getting their ideas from, especially when you see people like Bilal Davis being kicked out of university again and again but agencies intervening to get them back in?!

Salam aleykum

Brother, The Fatwa of ibn baz applies to all countries that do not rule with the Sharee'ah, and it includes Egypt, Algeria, Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia and also Kuwait.

I just pointed out that Sp in their meeting with Shaykh Wasiullah said that the Fatwa of ibn Baz was for countries other than gulf ones, and Shaykh Wasiullah corrected them and said some gold countries also rule by what displeases Allah.

So why did they want to take countries like Kuweit out of Ibn Baz's fatwa ?

Secondly, about secret agencies, I can say that when I went to do Hajj years ago, a converted Salafee followed me once to see who I was meeting in Madeenah, and he was clearly spying me and my friends.

And I am not telling all people converted are agents, as some original muslims can also sell temselves, but behind their agenda of jarh and ta'deel their is spying of Muslims, seeing who meets who.

And they can tell people to do that for a good purpose, to warn people from secret Hizbees, but it can be used by secret agencies as well.

And when you see on Falih's supporters forum, that Falih Al Harbee being asked about voting in algerian elections, Falih said to vote for the candidate of the ruling party instead of Ikhwan, as Ikhwan hate Salafees.

Now we ask anybody who has fairness, the ruling party in algeria, their religious ministers are Ash'ari and Sufis, and they are at least same as Ikhwan.

But telling to vote for the ruling party, which does not rule with Allah's law except in familial code, instead of Ikhwan who at least call to rule with the Sahree'ah, what is this except being an agent.

And SHaykh Muqbil said years ago that Falih was a spy, and Sahab were censoring this on their forum, and now they are puting it back, showing how they use scholar's fatwa for their own aims and their lack of seriousness.

Anyway, Shaykh Muqbil pointed at Falih being an agent, Falih told to vote for ruling parties in algeria instead of Ikhwan...

So it tells you the story...

May Allah protect us from Ghulat and the secret agencies behind

One should remember that secret agencies or secret organisations, this is not my invention of from other brothers, our imagination.

Shaykh Fawzan said there are secret organisations, they come with name of Fulan or Fulan, but behind their are organisations who work secretly and who want to destroy the 'Aqeedah of Muslims.

And Shaykh Muqbil named Falih as being a spy...

So you can see who were eavily linked to Falih until testing people with this told spy, and who also spread irja and never quoted one Fatwa of the Lajnah on any book of Irja.